Tuesday, March 12, 2013

A State Backs Guns in Class for Teachers


A State Backs Guns in Class for Teachers



South Dakota became the first state in the nation to enact a law explicitly authorizing school employees to carry guns on the job, under a measure signed into law on Friday by Gov. Dennis Daugaard.
Passage of the law comes amid a passionate nationwide debate over arming teachers, stoked after 20 first graders died in an elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., in December. Shortly afterward, the National Rifle Association proposed a plan for armed security officers in every school, and legislation to allow school personnel to carry guns was introduced in about two dozen states. All those measures had stalled until now.
Several other states already have provisions in their laws — or no legal restrictions — that make it possible for teachers to possess guns in the classroom. In fact, a handful of school districts nationwide do have teachers who carry firearms. But South Dakota is the only known state with a statute that specifically authorizes teachers to possess a firearm in a K-12 school, according to Lauren Heintz, a research analyst at the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Representative Scott Craig, a freshman Republican in the South Dakota House who sponsored the bill, said he hoped the measure would shift the country’s discourse on school safety.
“Given the national attention to safety in schools, specifically in response to tragedies like in Connecticut, this is huge,” he said. He added that, hopefully, “dominoes will start to fall, people will see it’s reasonable, it’s safer than they think, it’s proactive and it’s preventive.”
The law leaves it up to school districts to decide whether to allow armed teachers. It remains to be seen, however, if many schools will permit guns in classrooms and whether the measure will reverberate nationwide. Mr. Daugaard, a Republican, said he did not think that many schools would take advantage of the option, but that it was important for them to have the choice available.
While many gun control advocates are horrified by the notion of guns in schools, Laura Cutilletta, a senior staff lawyer with the San Francisco-based Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said that what South Dakota did would not spark a national trend. “For South Dakota to do this is less of a concern than if we saw it in Colorado or somewhere else like that,” she said, referring to states that have advocated for gun-control legislation.
Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said the group supported the bill and lobbied for it in the South Dakota Legislature. “There’s certainly not a one-size-fits-all approach to keeping our children safe in schools,” he said. “It’s incumbent upon state and local governments to formulate and implement a plan to keep students safe.”
The law says that school districts may choose to allow a school employee, a hired security officer or a volunteer to serve as a “sentinel” who can carry a firearm in the school. The school district must receive the permission of its local law enforcement agency before carrying out the program. The law requires the sentinels to undergo training similar to what law enforcement officers receive.
“I think it does provide the same safety precautions that a citizen expects when a law enforcement officer enters onto a premises,” Mr. Daugaard said in an interview. He added that this law was more restrictive than those in other states that permit guns in schools.
South Dakota is a state with deep roots in hunting, where children start learning how to shoot BB guns when they are 8, skeet shoot with shotguns by age 14 and enter target shooting contests with .22-caliber semiautomatic rifles.
“Our kids start hunting here when they’re preteens,” said Kevin Jensen, who supports the bill and is the vice president of the Canton School Board in South Dakota. “We know guns. We respect guns.”
Opponents, which included state associations representing school boards and teachers, said the bill was rushed, did not make schools safer and ignored other approaches to safety.
Wade Pogany, the executive director of the Associated School Boards of South Dakota, said he believed more discussion was necessary before passing this bill. “If firearms are the best option that we have, I’ll stand down,” Dr. Pogany said. “But let’s not come into a heated, emotional debate about this and say this is the answer. This is premature.”
Supporters say the measure is important in a state where some schools are many miles away from emergency responders, who can take upward of 30 or 45 minutes to reach some areas.
But Don Kirkegaard, the superintendent of the Meade School District, which encompasses 11 schools over 3,200 square miles, said that although some of his institutions were isolated, he did not see any evidence to suggest that they would be safer if teachers were armed. Mr. Kirkegaard said that schools in more populated areas have been most affected by shootings.
“The likelihood of it happening in our rural attendant centers is not nearly as probable as it is in the urban city areas,” he said.
But his school district, like many others across the state and country, does employ an armed “resource officer” affiliated with the police who bounces between the schools. Opponents of the legislation said they would be more comfortable with providing resources to districts so they could hire law enforcement to protect the schools.
It is unclear how many school districts nationwide have teachers carrying guns. Hawaii and New Hampshire do not have any prohibition against carrying weapons on school property for those with concealed carry permits. Texas’s law against carrying weapons in school includes an exemption for people whom the school authorizes.
The Harrold Independent School District in Texas began allowing teachers to carry weapons in 2008. Utah is also said to have teachers who carry guns in the classroom, though they do not have to disclose it publicly. Supporters point out that there have been no accidents in states where teachers do carry guns.
But a couple of recent episodes could leave some people unsettled about firearms in schools.
A maintenance worker at an East Texas school that plans to allow its staff to carry guns accidentally shot himself during firearms safety training last month. And a police officer assigned to patrol a high school in a town north of New York City after the Newtown shooting was suspended this week because he accidentally fired his gun in the hallway during school hours.

46 comments:

  1. I think it's a great idea for teachers to be armed, then they would have more enforcement in the classroom

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    1. I think teachers have enough enforcement as it is. They do not need guns to have influence over a classroom. If they do, they need to work on their discipline tactics.

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    2. i agree. they give them all the power. we are requird to be here. if they feel they are not safe then they r doing somthing wrong bring guns in does not help

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  2. Their can be so many even worse insadences that come from this. a kid should not have to see a gun when in school.

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  3. Its a good idea i think because now the kids will be more protected if someone breaks into the schoool

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    1. but what if a crazy child gets ahold of the gun? your just taking unnecessary risks.

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    2. Lock one gun in a safe that only that teacher knows

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  4. I am completely for arming teachers with guns in school. Though of course you can look at that in a bad way. There would be many tests and classes the teacher would have to do in order to have the fireman. It also would not be required, but it would be an option. I also have a secure way/idea of keeping the guns in the classroom but I cannot say for I plan on making a lot of money on this idea one day.

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    1. What if a kid got a hold of it? What if the teacher had a mental breakdown? This is simply not worth the risks. I'm a fan of playing the percentages, and chances are more guns in school will do more harm than good.

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  5. Sadly the world has come to the point where this is necessary. We are seeing so many school's have shootings and it may be helpful in a situation like that. The only thing is that the teachers have to make sure that they are qualified enough to carry a gun and make sure it is always locked up where no students can get to it.

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    1. Sorry, but I do not believe that "so many schools" are getting shot up. This is simply not the case. This is an outrageous claim to make without evidence to back it up.

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    2. true true. but kids always find a way to get ahold ofthings they shouldnt have. if somebody is gonna shoot up the school they r gonna get the gun their selfs. having inthe buliding is a bad idea

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  6. i disagree with this greatly, with all the gun issues in the country and the level of witch people are aware and scared of guns lately i think this is a bad move, not only are you putting a weapon in a school you also are making it avalible to students possibly or even put students at danger say some teacher loses his cool. who knows people are nuts these days anything can happen i just dont agree with the choice of putting not only weapons but guns in a school is just not good

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  7. It sounds like a good idea , but still ify on it , yes I says we are safer but not all ppl like guns

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  8. I think this is a good idea incase an intruder were roaming the hall he would be taken care of pretty fast. The only thing is if there was a spazo teacher that went gun happy in the classroom.

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    1. There are just too many problems that could present themselves. How would you even determine if this "intruder" was dangerous? What if you shoot him and he was not armed? Hello murder charge.

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    2. well what if you didnt shoot him and he killed three classes down the hall.. not good!

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  9. its a good and bad thing that the teachers are carrying guns in school good becuase it for protection incase of emergancy but it is also a bad thing because some kids can take the gun out of the holster or whatever and shoot people that way.

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    1. Yes , this is true that one thing that's if'y !!

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  10. i think that its a dumb idea to have teachers armed with kids in the room with them. teachers are humen too so they could go out and start goiong postal on the kids that do have in the class room

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  11. This is a tough on. i think yes but no at the same time. i agree with it yes because teachers are able to use them in case of emergency. then no because kids could possibly get ahold of them and use them for stupid reasons.

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    1. They could possibly give the teachers gun safes to lock them in in case of an emergency.

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    2. I like the sound of that that seem pretty reasonible

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    3. all for proections but theres a line. you couild be putting hundereds of kids at risk by having the weapon

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    4. what if they could put a lock on the gun that was contoled by someone in the office. somethings going on the person pushes a button and the guns are set to go.

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    5. What if somebody goes and pushes the button then the guns are out there for anybody and everybody to use? You can implement plenty of security measures but the matter of the fact is bringing a gun into a school will never be safe.

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  12. I believe that it is a good idea other then the chance is there that a couple of students could overtake a teacher and their gun.

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  13. its a good idea as long as they keep the dame thing under lock and key and not loaded.

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  14. I think this is a terrible idea, and quite honestly I am very surprised at all the support for this law. A gun is a very dangerous thing and accidents can happen at anytime. Plus, a student or visitor or whatever could possibly overpower said person with the gun and have a weapon to use. Having a weapon to protect the possibility of someone having a weapon seems very counterproductive to me.

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    1. How else are you going to fend off an intruder? With three guys with baseball bats? Hell no I think this is a great idea.

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  15. its a great idea because the kids would feel more safe in school and if something bad happened the teachers are ready for anything to happen and can take control from there until law enforcement came to help.

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  16. I think guns should'nt be aloud in school . Kids could get ahold of them an it will just cause more problems.

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  17. It's good and bad thing. Good because than they have control in their classrooms if someone broke into the school. But than it's not because some kid could get it and teachers are human too and have problems.

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  18. Guns should not be allowed in a place of education under any circumstances. End of story. This should not, in my opinion, even be debatable.

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    1. Thank you! There is absolutely no debate in this! What kind of society do we live in that we are even considering allowing guns in schools? Violence, even for a just reason, is still violence.

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  19. I agree with jerry i think this is going way to out of hands

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  20. I agree with Mavdick. Teachers should have guns incase of a shooter. They should keep them locked away though.

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    1. They should be finger print specific, so the ONLY that one teacher can use it.

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  21. The area should determine the rules and i think it's wise that the state left the final say up to the districts individually. There are certain districts where violence is more prevelent than in other areas. Having a teacher straddle a .44 mag might be a little ridiculous but the knowledge that a gun is nearby could deter a shooter.

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    1. If somebody is coming to shoot up a school they are obviously not thinking straight and a single gun is not going to deter them. Guns are never a good idea. With the presence of a gun comes the possibility of major violence.

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    2. There is always a possibility of violence, with or without guns. I'd rather see at least a bit of protection than the school blatantly ignoring the issues at hand. I'm sure the president has security at the school his children attend for a reason and it's not just for looks.

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    3. I think if the president's children has security it's probably because it's the presidents children not because it should be that way for everyone. The schools are not blatantly ignoring anything they are implementing plenty of security measures and they are prepared, god forbid, if a shooting does happen, but having guns in the school is not the answer. School's aren't always to blame for everything that happens in life.

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  22. I can see if this is a good and bad thing.. Good in the way of protecting the class if they were in danger but bad if the gun ends up in the wrong hands..

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  23. I think this is a good and a bad idea, it would protect the kids but then if it go into the wrong hands things could go wrong and then this would become a huge problem.

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    1. I agree with this. Having a gun in school could help scare away a shooter but it could get into the wrong hands. What if a few students tried to take over a teach and get their gun? Now there is a gun in the school that the students took from a teacher.

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    2. Exactly what I've been saying a gun in school is just asking for trouble. That scenario has a serious possibility of happening then everyone is going to say what a terrible idea it was. I say don't pass this law in the first place.

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