By Dr. Terri Apter
Created Apr 1 2009 - 3:36am
Why is it girls' friendships that are so often troubled that teachers and school counsellors note that much of their non academic work with adolescent girls is about friendship struggles dilemmas that they also feel perplexed about how to handle. "Girls are in my office all day complaining about each other," said one middle school principal. "One day one's feelings are hurt. The next day it's another. I wish I knew how to make this easier for them." A school counsellor remarked, "The girls aren't violent as often as boys, but they take their fights more personally, and argue more, and come to us constantly about their problems with other girls. It's really hard to help them."
Well, what I say about girls' and women's friendships may also be true of many male friendships: certainly, in the early years, for both boys and girls, play with other kids is a major social enterprise. But friendship is clearly experienced - and performed - differently for girls and for boys. By the age of four, girls and boys segregate themselves when they play with peers and when they form friendships. Girls choose girls; boys choose boys. If boys try to join a group of girls, they usually mean to cause trouble. If a girl tries to join a group of boys, she is very likely to be rejected. This segregation seems to be universal - across culture and class, and occurs - especially in a school context, even when the adults try to mix the children. Boys and girls like playing with different things, and they also have very different play styles, and distinctive cultures emerge in all-girls groups and in all-boy groups. Boys are more "physical" in their play that girls, and engage in a good deal of roughhousing. They form more obvious, and more stable, hierarchies, and engage more directly in competition with one another (fifty per cent of the play time, versus one per cent of girls' play time). Girls sustain long, turn-taking conversations more often than boys. More often than boys, girls express agreement with a friend's suggestions. When they make suggestions of their own, they often add a tag question (shall we? should we?) Boys are more likely to use direct imperatives: ` give me, put it there', or prohibitions: `don't do that', `get away from that'.
Conflict in girls' groups can also go unnoticed because it is usually indirect: the competition is for the more nebulous good of popularity (not, as in boys' games who can throw furthest, who's the strongest); but who is best liked, who's most likeable, or popular, or who is closer to the girl whom everyone likes. The chief commodity in the girls' community is intimacy. Girls monitor their friendships for subtle shifts in alliances, and they seek to be friends with popular girls. Popularity is a kind of status, but it also brings problems. Popular girls were often disliked because they can be envied, they can be the target of gossip, and they can be considered stuck up. Because the most important thing in girls' friendship is intimacy, they cannot have masses of friends, and so a popular girl, who attracts lots of other girls, must reject some of those girls in order to preserve the intimacy in the relationships she has. This makes her seem to others stuck up.
Popularity is dangerous, too, because it is transient. Girls' hierarchies are much less stable than those of boys', and so girls' are acutely aware of subtle nuances of inclusion and exclusion. Girls' emphasis on closeness and intimacy and understanding - does not always lead to nice and thoughtful behaviour. Such concern about intimacy arouses envy and anxiety. Alienating tactics - excluding someone from play, and spreading negative gossip about a girl, increase sharply with age, and such tactics are almost never mentioned by boys. This buried conflict causes girls' enormous pain - yet friendships are too important to give up, just because they often hurt. Learning to negotiate the pitfalls of friendship begins to seem the core of existence to the growing girl: the potential for rejection, alongside the dependence, makes friendships both powerful and dangerous - but few girls, or women, would give them up: many say, "I don't know who I'd be without my friends."
Terri Apter and Ruthellen Josselson are the authors of Best Friends: the pleasures and perils of girls' and women's friendships.
This article makes very good points girls will take it very personal and hold a grudge for a long time but guys can usually fight and be friends again the next week. And girls seem to judge their self worth on popularity and relationships so it means a great deal to them thus making them way more sensative
ReplyDeletethe one thing i noticed while growing up is even though girls start alot of friendship wars and they break of into "clicks" that boys tend to do the same but there wars arent as personal as they said its more like, what sports do you do, how good are you, can you lead the team better, are you a complete "ass" so to speak....theres is a friendship war also but more on a physical and performance level while girls its what you wear, how you talk, your make up and so on....i believe if you could just learn to grow up and handle situations by yourself youll become more mature and these things wont be such a blown up event of major proportions!
ReplyDeleteYes, BMOC. That statement is correct. In elementary girls were frowned upon for joining in football at recess, eventually we were welcomed. I surrounded myself mainly with girls in elementary, and now days I have few friends that are girls, and more friends that are boys. I don't really like to surround myself in drama and girl issues, but sometimes it always seems to find a way to get my direction. I've learned to 'blow it off' sort of mentality. It's whatever.
ReplyDeleteGirls don't fight about their makeup.. are you kidding me.
ReplyDeleteGirls definitely take things more personally. Guys can get mad at each other, fight it out, and the next day sit together at lunch. Girls, though, can ignore the girl for days, even weeks. If they're really upset, they'll probably tell their friends to stop talking to the girl as well.
ReplyDeletetrue, guys are able to forgive and forget a lot quicker or nicer than girls. it also depends on how close the friends are.
Deletethis article also talked about how girls and boys tend not to play together as children. i disagree with this because growing up at south we all played kick ball boys and girls.
ReplyDeleteI think if girls confronted their friends about what is bothering them instead of telling their other friends about it the problem would be resolved faster and it would eliminate 'burried conflict'. girls need to talk to each other instead of talking about eachother.
ReplyDeletei think the parents should just let there daughters be, they will catch on quicker and grow up faster than the parents who baby there children.
ReplyDeletei disagree. in my experience if i dont like a guy i dont like him its said and done. girls are constantly friends one week and not friends the next week at my school. they dont fight like face to face either most of it is bad talking eachother to their friends which that friend is friends with both of them
ReplyDeleteIf parents are letting their daughters be, that's when the bad stuff happens. Like getting into drugs, and alcohol and in with the wrong crowd. It's not bad to be friends with your kid as long as it's not to the point where it's not even a parental relationship. There has to be guidance and sometimes you have to be strict. I feel like if my daughter (when I have one, or if I have a girl) came home crying, I would want to try to console her. It's your child, you have to be able to give them advice, as long as you're not getting to involved. Like calling the girls mother who was mean, that's taking it to the next level.
ReplyDeleteGirls do take things more seriously and personally than boys. It can be very frustrating at times. @Juliet Not all schools are like South.
ReplyDeletethey dont fight about make up i was pointing out that if a girl does her make up like she was icing a cake other girls would more then likely seclude her from the group because of what they look like, i mean if my friends put make up on like that ya id probably leave em out or at least explain to them why people were judging her so much!
ReplyDeleteWhen girls form a grudge, it will stay against that person forever. They will take everything personally, and will just hate them to death. Guys really could care less what happens between them, unless they are sedimental.
ReplyDeleteI think parents should give their kid more advice and tell them how they would deal with the situation. If parents don’t help, they often lose the friendship.
ReplyDeletewhen girls form a grudge its for at most a week. girls get over it text eachother say sorry i think your beautiful to lets be besties now like we used to be even though they both know they were never "best friends" in the first place
ReplyDeleteSome girls could care less about all the drama and fighting but some girls like to get involved with the drama also so it goes both ways.
ReplyDeleteBubbles, confrontation sounds like it will solve everything, but a lot of the time the girl just denies doing anything and pretends everything is okay. Afterward, though, she turns around and tells her friends about how she just got "flipped out on". While it does sometimes make things better, it can also make it worse.
ReplyDeleteI happen to be of the female gender. I've never held a grudge, in my life. Proud owner of lady bits. You see it everyday on facebook or whatever. About how 'oh my goodness your so pretty, I have monster thighs' then it goes back and forth back and forth until they both feel like their pretty enough. It's like forced compliments. Just take the compliment about how you're pretty and say thank you and be done with it! don't have a who'se prettier battle and then point out your flaws as well. DUH.
ReplyDeleteI agree, it's so annoying when stupid comments like this fill up your feed. The whole thing is just pointless.
Delete@navi i was just pointing out that not all of girls and boys seperate during childhood. i also agree with cowgirl. i dont care about the drama and i know others who do so. it depends on who you talk to.
ReplyDeletei remember as a kid growing up,my parents wouldnt let me stay at this girls house because she was a snot or she would turn out to be just like her parents. I look back now and they are exactly like them and im glad my parents influenced my life they way they did. Yes girls have drama but i remember being alittle girl and playing with the boys at recess. i was a tom boy though. Groups can mix but thats when you get in trouble with the whole kissing a boy. naughty stuff. Parents should have control over who there kids hang with at a younger age but once they get older its hard to tell them because we become more wise.
ReplyDeletei agree with you buttercup im glad that my parents influenced my life, but it would be nice if the let us figure out things for our selves. it is very true that popular girls are considered snots but i dont think our class has just one girl who thinks she is everything, our classes are very split up into clicks. girls and guys are friends with eachother all the time and get along just fine, but when guys fight they get over it right away when girls fight they seem to hold grudges with one another and talk behind their backs more than just go up to them and tell them whats up
ReplyDeletebut thats just how girls are. Boys will just say its whatever we cool bro. but im not just ssaying our class. Society is that way. yes i am friends with boy and honestly i get along better with them. Girls are too much drama and pretty much only care about themselves. Most girls dont care to listen anyways and if you think that you trust some one, really girls are girls they will back stab like no other.
ReplyDeletethat is very true you tell a girl a secret and she will tell a friend and they will tell a friens and so on. girls like to gossip way to much and go way to far. i had an experince where a girl herd somthing about me and didnt ask me if it was true or not she went on facebook and told a person who got really upset about it, even though it wasnt true. Girls have this problem where they like to jump to conclusions and spread it around without asking if its true or not before they go around and say crap that isnt true.
ReplyDeleteyeah i see where you are coming from snuffleupagus. Rumors are all over the place and people just need to know that. i would rather tell a boy than a girl. no offense.
ReplyDeletei agree boys seem to be better friends they tell it how it is and dont have an issue with it
ReplyDeletei know what you mean but yet boys can cause problems too. especially if you have a partner and then rumours can start. no matter what. Even if its a group of people, people will still start rumours that you are not being loyal to your boyfriend/ girlfriend
ReplyDeletethat is very true men can cause rumours to but i believe that women are more worse at it and try to spread their rumours alot more
ReplyDeleteyeah and most the time its just to get a relationship broken up or get back at someone. that stuff isnt cool and shouldnt be happening. girls should not be so mean to each other and they should just get along but in the society you know that it will never happen, the people you hang out with influence that
ReplyDeletethat is very true i believe that women will always do this even when they get older i just hope that someday that women will learn that its not right to rat out a person just becuase you dont like them or to make fun of someone to make yourself feel better. i understand that you cant like everybody in the world but that dosent mean you have to be rude to them just because there not your biggest fan.
ReplyDeletethat is a good point. just because you dont like the person you can still be nice to them. thats how everybody should be no matter what the situation is. Girls can just be so selfish and thats not good either. I dont like everybody in the world but i try and atleast be nice to them. girls dont have to be in the relationship if they dont want too but if they do then that is there own problem to get into the situation
ReplyDeleteGirls are flat out mean people, just face it. I'm a girl and I know I can be mean. I know it's not "nice" but whatever. I honestly don't think that any girl knows the real reason why we hold on to the small things, and make our arguments last for weeks, months, etc.
ReplyDeleteI blame the estrogen, the emotions, the intense menstrual cycle and the fact that for some reason they enjoy overly intense dramatic situations. But thats just me...any girl would disagree with me cuz im a boy and girls are always right. they say.
ReplyDeleteI'm a girl and I (for the most part) agree with this. It may be awkward, but it's true, most of those things are overwhelming for girls. Some girls don't enjoy drama, some boys do... it goes both ways. But you definitely got one thing correct, girls are always right :P
Deletei think that girls hold grudges for a long time and then they try and get there friends to go against the girl that they were fighting with. what you tell a girl once she will remember forever. But on the other hand, boys can fight and then the next day be totally find and act like nothing every happened.
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