Tuesday, October 20, 2015

Can You Come to Jesus Without Church?

Read the article and watch the video in question then watch the video responses.


Can You Come to Jesus Without Church?

A viral video raises old theological disputes.




YouTube videos go viral all the time, but sermons rarely do. Enter Jefferson Bethke, a young "spoken-word" poet who recently posted the video "Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus." It has been viewed more than 10 million times in the past 10 days.
The video opens with an eerie soundtrack and the phrase "Jesus>Religion" in a stark, white typeface. His poem begins, "What if I told you, Jesus came to abolish religion?"

In a polished, hip style, he continues with such controversial questions for four minutes: "If religion is so great, why has it started so many wars? Why does it build huge churches, but fails to feed the poor?" Mr. Bethke describes religion as no more than "behavior modification" and "a long list of chores." This leads him to conclude, "Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrums." And his grand finale: "So know I hate religion, in fact I literally resent it."

Other YouTube users have posted response videos, and countless bloggers have commented on the quality of his poetry, the sharpness of the production and the errors in his theology. Among the most ardent critics are Catholics who see Catholic-bashing in Mr. Bethke's attack against organized religion, particularly in his suggestion that religion is "just following some rules."

On his blog "Bad Catholic," Marc Barnes highlights Mr. Bethke's indictments of religion for building huge churches at the expense of the poor and telling "single Moms God doesn't love them if they've had a divorce." Though Mr. Barnes agrees with some of the poem, he writes, "I can't help but think, in the midst of all this, that this hating-religion-loving-Jesus thing is the logical consequence of Protestantism."

Yet the Protestant response has been strong as well. Kevin DeYoung, a blogger at "The Gospel Coalition," a popular Reformed Christian site, wrote that "amidst a lot of true things in this poem there is a lot that is unhelpful and misleading."
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A screen shot of Jefferson Bethke in his video 'Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus."

Mr. Bethke, he notes, "perfectly captures the mood, and in my mind the confusion, of a lot of earnest, young Christians" who interpret the word religion to mean "self-righteousness, moral preening, and hypocrisy." The problem, Mr. DeYoung notes, is this is not what religion is, and Jesus didn't hate religion. Jesus was an observant Jew, Mr. DeYoung points out. Jesus clearly said he didn't come to abolish the law or ignore the prophecies but to fulfill them. In fact he founded the church and instituted the sacrament of communion.
Mr. DeYoung is correct to identify Mr. Bethke's sentiment as typical of his generation of young evangelical Christians. The notion that "Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship" has been echoing through the sanctuaries of evangelical, and particularly nondenominational, churches since at least the 1970s. Mr. Bethke's own pastor, Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, promotes a distinction between "religious people" and "Jesus people": "Religion is about me" but "Christianity . . . is about Jesus," Mr. Driscoll preached in 2007.
As Mr. Barnes of "Bad Catholic" notes, this is a particularly Protestant sentiment that can be traced back to theologian Karl Barth, who often distinguished between "revelation" and religion.

This is the kind of Christianity in which I was raised, where a man with a high school degree and a "calling" can lead a congregation, where a pastor can spend millions advertising an apocalypse only he predicted, and where a church burns the Koran and leads to the unnecessary deaths of innocent people halfway across the world.
Stating that religions build churches at the expense of the poor, as Mr. Bethke does, turns a blind eye to the single greatest charitable institution on the planet. Blaming religion for wars ignores the fact that the greatest mass murderers in the 20th century—indeed in all of history—killed for nonreligious reasons. And advocating for a kind of Christianity that is free of the "bondage" of religion opens the door to dangerous theological anarchy that is all too common among young evangelicals and absolutely antithetical to biblical Christianity.
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The view presented here are in no way the views promoted, supported or not supported by ACGC. They are the view of the people in the video alone.

9 comments:

  1. The guy who had put up the video about Jesus>Religion had a few valid good points, but without religion we would be lost if it was never there. If there was no religion alot of people probably bring upon "Judgement Day" as said in the Great Scripture itself

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  2. I think what he is talking about is very true! I believe that you do not need a religion to believe. If you trust that there is a god that's all that matters. There are so many different religions, if you believe in god that's great. I believe that he is there for us no matter what. Just like in the video he said that god sinned which is very true, so for god to not help everyone else would be messed up in a way. God is here for all of us no matter where we come from. You don't need to have a religion to have a relationship with god. For some reason in your life if things are not going well, we all look to god for answers/help, some of those people don't believe but they do believe in a god. So I believe that you do not need a religion to have a relationship with god.

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  3. you can to what ever you want with religion you can prey anywhere you want to you dont have to go to church

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  4. you can to what ever you want with religion you can prey anywhere you want to you dont have to go to church

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  5. I do agree that you do not have to have religion to believe in God or to have God in your life. I think that a religion is just a set of rules given to us by our ancestors how many years ago and were just passed on to us. You always see people following their parents and their grandparents religion after they have a family of their own because it is the "right" thing to do and they think they have to because their parents did it. They should be able to choose for themselves what religion they would like to follow, if they even want to follow one. I do not go to church every Sunday nor do I follow every set rule of my religion and I still believe in God and have him in my life. People think that if you do not attend church every Sunday and follow a religion means that you do not care for God or that you do not believe in him. People may have reasons why they cannot attend church every week that does not meant they do not believe or care for him or they may not be part of a religion. Also just because you do not practice a religion does not mean you do not believe in God, people all have different views on religion and how they should live their lives should be their decision.

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  6. I think you can be religious with out going to church because that is just a place that tells you different. The bible or whatever book it comes from is just being told in a different way and you don't have to go because you can read the book it comes from.

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  7. I'm probably not the best person to judge this video because I don't really know anything about church but I studied about religion. I totally agree with his advice. I don't really like all the routine activities in religion but the message in almost everyone is a message of peace and it teach us how to be ourselves and free.

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  8. you can be more in tune with Jesus if you don't go to church than if you do. Because I've been to church many times and didn't learn a thing but my dad has told me stuff about the bible and Jesus. Most churches don't even teach the word of god they just tell you what they think you should do. For example Creflo Doller a pastier in a mega church in the south asked for his congregation to donate him millions of dollars so he could by a private jet and that's selfish taking money of hard working people. Just so he can get a jet and fly. Which by the way is exactly like the rich man an Latherus. Which the rich man had every thing he wanted on earth but Latherus was poor and had lepersy. But when both of them died latherus was on the good side of the gulf with God but the rich man was stuck on the bad side and tormented because he has nothing now.

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  9. You don't need to be standing inside of a church to be in the prescience of god as long as you show your faith he will be with you.

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